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Secret Car Comparments? You Go to Jail!

Written by John Odermatt on November 22, 2013

Apparently, the Ohio Legislature has lost their minds.

The busy bodies in the Ohio Legislature figured they could stay one step ahead of drug dealers if they criminalized the secret compartments in cars that aid in the clandestine operations of drug traffickers.

The legislation, which passed the State Senate and House overwhelmingly in June 2012, drastically invades the property rights of individuals. Among other things, the law prohibits the designing, building, or constructing of a vehicle to create or add a hidden compartment with the intent to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance.

This past week the draconian law claimed its first victim. WKYC Channel 3 reports that 30-year-old Norman Gurley was arrested Tuesday evening. He was awarded the distinction of being the first arrest made under the state’s new “compartment law.” Police had pulled Gurley over for speeding and noticed wires running to the back of the car. This led them to the empty hidden compartment in the back of Gurley’s car.

Under the new law, it does not matter that Gurley did not have any drugs in his possession. If not for the new “compartment law” the cops would have let him go with a speeding ticket. Thanks to the new law a human being will be locked in a cage for the non-violent crime of owning a vehicle that has a hidden compartment.

Lt. Michael Combs, of the State Highway Patrol, claims that this law “takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade.” Combs says, “The law does help us and is on our side.”

Lt. Combs could not be further from the truth.

The law will only further drive drug trafficking into the shadows. Designers and builders of these compartments will have their trade forced onto the black market. It won’t matter if the customers intend to use the compartments for legal purposes; they will be forced to operate outside of the legal marketplace. This means that no taxes will be paid, but more violence could be introduced into the trade.

Dr. Mark Thornton explained, on a recent episode of the Lions of Liberty podcast, which conditions in the black market could lead to violence. I can’t explain the issues as clearly as Dr. Thornton, but I will try to summarize the argument.

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26 thoughts on “Secret Car Comparments? You Go to Jail!

  1. Think about it: The only way would-be legislators can justify their job is by continuously legislating new "laws." Is it any wonder America suffers under so many "laws," so many that no one can provide an accurate number? If Moses had come down Mt. Sinai with America's Constitutional Republic's laws, he wouldn't have come down with two tablets but with a broken back, a hernia, and untold number of carts pulled by both donkeys and elephants alike.

    This is another consequence of the framer's rejection of Yahweh as sole legislator. Isaiah 33:22 and James 4:12 declare that Yahweh is the exclusive legislator. There are no others, period! Yahweh is the only lawgiver because as Creator He’s the only one with the authority to determine what is good and evil.

    Anyone who claims the title of legislator (particularly when his “laws”—whether commandments, statutes, or judgments—are inconsonant with Yahweh’s) is a usurper and is perpetuating the sin begun by Adam and Eve. The same is true for any one of us who would modify Yahweh’s triune law.

    Any legislation antithetical to Yahweh’s turns evil to good and good to evil (Isaiah 5:20). When man rejects Yahweh’s standard of morality, it is inevitable he will make legal what Yahweh has made unlawful (e.g., infanticide and sodomy) and make illegal what Yahweh has made lawful (e.g., monotheistic Christianity outside the four walls of church buildings).

    Time for Christians to face up to what the framers did to America when they not only rejected their true 1600 predecessors' Christian heritage, but more importantly their sedition against Yahweh and His perfect law for government and society.

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  2. I'm lost for words on this one….unbelievable!

  3. This law means that IF your car has a glove compartment you can not only be arrested, but, also put in jail.

  4. there is a way says:

    dont like the laws… too bad!….OR… start a freeman community and live by your own standards. immunity through community!
    or just suck it up and continue to live with all the other whiners in a community of law slaves.

  5. What is a secret campartment ? Is it the hidden spare tire compartment? The hidden compartment that the tools for removal of flat tire ? Is it a box tosswed into one of these compartments? Is it a container under the seat ? How about a box with wires running to said box,therefore making said container not hidden since there are wires leeding to said container? _ Think Lt. Michael Combs is a bit of a zealot that likes tyranny. Think Ohio legislation need to use a fine point pen when drafting laws rather then a wide paint brush. _ Hidden compartments that have no illegal stuff in compartment should certainly Not be illegal . This is just flat out stupid !!!

  6. Bill McCroskey says:

    I would think this law can be overturned in high court using many different reasons. I will also imagine anyone convicted of this “crime” will lose their vehicle under the forfeited asset provision of existing drug trafficking laws until turned over (and good luck getting made whole again) if you win.

  7. but the real note is that the citizens have not risin up and demand the repeal of the law or the recall of the legislators that voted for this
    that my friends is the true pity

  8. Seems like this law requires mind reading on the part of the cops… How do they know what the person's intent was in building a "secret compartment"? Also an easy way around it would be to use cars built before the law was passed. Just claim the compartment was built before the law…. the Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Not that the current regime cares about that document.

  9. The Constitution may prohibit ex post facto laws, but they get passed and enforced nonetheless. Google Lautenberg Amendment for just one example.

  10. Just make ma DESIRE to make some hidden compartments of my own – I condone it – SO SHOULD YOU

  11. One reason for lack of protests is that 99.99% of the population STILL has no idea this law is one the books. I work across the street from the Ohio Capital building. I recall hearing a while back that someone had proposed this law, but never heard it actually passed.

  12. John Odermatt: " Thanks to the new law a human being will be locked in a cage for the non-violent crime of owning a vehicle that has a hidden compartment. "

    It's time to wake up Constitutionalists.   Wake up Constitutionalists.  Come on, wake up, wake up Constitutionalists.  Coffee's brewing.   Take a big whiff Constitutionalists.   You're just dreaming, Constitutionalists.   In fact, you have to wake up RIGHT NOW, because the police are here and they have everyone in the whole city of Boston under "lock down".   

    They're POUNDING ON THE DOOR, telling us we have to come out while they search EVERYONE'S house for a 19 year old patsy they're blaming ANOTHER false flag event on.  Wake up Constitutionalists.  Come on Constitutionalists, wake up.  Wake up.  Wake up.

    What are you "free" to do without getting permits, licenses, etc. ????   

    Try and add or build something on "your" property without asking permission !

    Your Constitutional Republic died decades ago and was turned into a Communist Republic.   

    All 10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto in Full Force In AmeriKa:  http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.htm

    And now it's morphed into Corporate Fascism.    And your article brings more proof that this is indeed the case !

    This is the result of this nation's being deceived by the enemy to think we know better than The Almighty and should usurp His Law making power, which is to be EXCLUSIVE TO HIM.

    We allowed the process to begin when we decided “We The People” should be god (sovereign) and decide what is to be the supreme law of the land.

    The legislative process provided by the various federal and state constitutions was the vehicle used for the enemy to corrupt over time (via gradual increments) and finally take over. This nation wanted to determine what was “good and evil” (remember the garden?), instead of enforcing His Perfect Moral Laws.

    Malim in se (evil in and of itself as defined by The Great I Am, the ONLY lawgiver) vs. malim prohibitum (evil because someone determines, or legislates, it to be evil).

    The only way to save this nation is to turn back to Him, His Perfect Moral Laws, Statutes and Judgments, i.e., His Kingdom/Will On Earth.

    Turn back to The King of kings and His Laws Statutes and Judgments.   It's a much better deal than the one you now have. 

    “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, And I will give you rest. Take My yoke (i.e., His Law 1 John 5: 2 & 3, as well as His tithe [tax] system) upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and ‘YOU SHALL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.’ (Jer. 6: 16). My yoke is easy, and My load is light.” Matthew 11: 28 – 30.

    He told us that if His people ” … shall humble themselves (e.g., quit thinking we’re the sovereign, take our proper place and quit usurping His), and pray, and seek my face (e.g., He’s to be the ONLY law giver), and turn from their wicked ways (e.g., enforce His Laws, Statutes and Judgments); THEN will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 

    There's less than 1,000 of His Laws in Scripture.   How many "laws' are those who long for "freedom and liberty", the "conservative", Constitutionalist and "Christian", crowd burdened with ?

    Seek Him while He may yet be found.

  13. Sec. 2923.241 (I) of the law states it “does not apply to a box, safe, container, or other item added to a vehicle for the purpose of securing valuables, electronics, or firearms,” as long as said container “does not contain a controlled substance or visible residue of a controlled substance.”

    Intent is going to be difficult to prove.

  14. There was a similar case in Wired magazine about hidden compartments.

    Personally, I think this is a bit overboard. Hidden compartments can contain legal and illegal objects. If a person SPECIFICALLY mentioned drugs then I could see the connection but that would have to be proven. THINKING what hidden compartments contain is a crap shoot unless you have x-ray eyes.

  15. This law is extremely dangerous to any law abiding citizen. It can be used by any law enforcement with a ax to grind. Now there is no need to throw something illegal under the drivers seat. Any compartment found about the vehicle found will get you whisked off to jail. Remember you now are guilty until you are broke and of no further use.

  16. Dr. North, you are usually spot on, but you got it wrong in the first sentence on this one. In order to lose one's mind, one must first have a mind. I'm dubious about that presumption.

  17. Rattlerjake says:

    And so the nanny state grows!

  18. Rattlerjake says:

    It means that car manufacturers can no longer sell vehicles in Ohio that have glove compartments, center console compartments, or spare tire compartments, etc. without breaking the law.

  19. The prosecutor must '''ALSO''' prove '''INTENT''', which in many cases is almost impossible to do. All that a defendant needs to say is that he or she, puts valuables, money, coins, jewelery, etc. in said compartment and the case will go away. Thank God that the legislature INCLUDED the INTENT requirement. Ira.

  20. Yes! Citizens must rise up to this dangerous tip of an iceberg! The "legislators" have lost their grip or else they were not the brightest bulbs in the box to begin with. They do not deserve to be in office. What a transparent make-work example of idiocy to present to the citizens who elected them!

  21. So much for my Green Hornet car and my 007 car.

  22. Texas Chris says:

    You hide-a-key may get you 20 years.

  23. a good defense for his trial: if the cops found that "secret compartment" in just a few minutes at a traffic stpp, its not very secret"/ That law is unenforceable as it id too vage. It does not define "secret", nor "compartment". If I hid drugs in the transmission oil pan of my car, would that make it a "secret" compartment? But the anufacturer PUT it there. The article does not go into detail on where this compartment is, whether it was factory (thus can't be "secret" because ALL such cars will have it thus not secret), or home built (n which case ANY "compartment" added to any vehicle, even a battery box, could be declared "secret" by LEO. This is nuts. And can't stand the test of law.

  24. Does this mean hundreds of auto enthusiasts' cars are now illegal? There are quite a few 1947-1952 Studebaker five-passenger coupes still registered in Ohio; these are the famous "is it coming or going?" post-war cars with curved wrap-around rear windows. The built-in rear side arm-rests open to reveal deep compartments. I don't think back in 1946 the designers were looking to smuggle anything.

  25. Best description I have heard of the many laws our so called legislators issue, ie: Moses on the Mount. Whats next? Road blocks where all are stopped and searched and detained over a tool box in the trunk? Better not give them any ideas!

  26. Now you've done it! Brought the INTENT to their attention! lol Now watch them take it out of the law!