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Libyan Attack Sends Obama’s Odds Through the Roof

Written by Gary North on September 17, 2012

On the day before the attack on the American embassy in Libya, Obama’s odds of re-election on the Intrade betting website were at 57 — high. As news of the attack spread, the odds jumped to 65. Then they rose to 67.

American mainstram media have not published this photo of murderers dragging Ambassador Stephens’ body through the streets. That might not be good for Obama’s re-election campaign.

I searched Google for “Stephens’ body” and dragged through streets. I got lots of hits, but none from America’s mainstream media.

The mainstream media did cite Hillary Clinton’s explanation, as posted on the website of the U.S. State Department. “And when the attack came yesterday, Libyans stood and fought to defend our post. Some were wounded. Libyans carried Chris’ body to the hospital, and they helped rescue and lead other Americans to safety.” Americans were deeply moved.

Americans are manipulated and clueless.

Betting statistics have no explanations, but I think it is clear what is at work here. The President is seen as representing the nation to its enemies. An attack on the embassy is perceived, correctly, as an attack on the United States. The representative of the United States government is the President. The psychology is this: “Rally round the flag. The President is carrying the flag.”

The announcement by Bernanke of QE3 also had a lifting effect.

The attacks seem to be waning. The odds have begun to fall a little: about one percentage point. But they would have to fall 16 more percentage points, meaning 24%, to get into the 50-50 range. He has not been in this range since late in 2011.

How accurate was Intrade in 2008? Very accurate, and by the day of the election, almost perfect. It called his victory in the Electoral College within one vote out of 538 — uncanny.

We read: “There was only one point in mid-September when McCain was actually forecasted to win more electoral votes than Obama.  Other than that, Obama enjoyed a sizeable lead for most of the election season. ” Obama’s odds jumped in late September.

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82 thoughts on “Libyan Attack Sends Obama’s Odds Through the Roof

  1. Shows how abysmally stupid the American electorate is.

  2. The only way Liberty will be restored is through exercising the 2nd amdt. …which is what it is for.

  3. This is how the "Muslim" Obama shows he is just as pro-war in the Mideast as Dubya or McCain or Romney or Hillary. He can posture that he won't follow Netanyahu into Iran before November, but now he has the embassy attack (on the 911 anniversary for maximum propaganda value) to wave as a bloody shirt and tell the American people, "The American way of life is under attack, this is a national emergency, our honor is at stake now, I didn't want to invade Iran before November but now we have to…" yadda yadda yadda.

  4. Are the odds 57 percent or 57 to 1? I've always heard odds makers speak in the latter terms.

  5. this coincides with what a lot of people have been saying:
    shit will hit the fan just before election time to boost Obama's rating ,
    and indeed it has. Romney and Ryan has to pull it together, wake the people up
    so to speak.

  6. how in the hell can they go up when the chimp dick-tater knew this mess was coming and did nothing to protect these peopld

  7. This is a tragedy for America. The release on 9/11 and the violence that followed is suspect. I would not put anything past this person to remain in power. We have two ways to defeat him in November. States can remove his name from the ballet because he hasn't proved he is a Natural born citizen or we can get every registered Republican to the polls even if we have to drive them.
    God Bless America, pray that God will help America in its time of need

  8. Western Attorney says:

    Obama and Hillary did not act on information that they had that the embassys in the region were threatened. Maybe on purpose to goose 'bama's poll ratings??

  9. With any luck the spike will fall as people see that Obama is as weak and pathertic a leader as jimmy Carter was. But this will take time which we may not have.

  10. This is BS. The truth is his numbers fell that much. Why does anyone believe this ka ka. How could an attack on the U.S. followed by an apology to the enemy from our president after the enemy killed our Ambassador possibly lift his poll numbers??!! Then he sent our Marines to defend what was left of our Embassy with NO bullets in their guns. This is an outrage. The enemy is laughing at obama. Think people, they are manipulating you. Nothing has gotten better for this prez. These attacks are only reminding America about 9/11 which is uniting us more to defeat obama, NOT helping him. He did nothing, America is disgusted by his behavior. "I don't know if Egypt is our ally or our enemy" Time to go mr. president. We need a leader who knows. There are only 2 choices – friend or foe. He doesn't know. How about this: What do you see in this photo above? What does that look like? Idiot or con? Either one does not deserve re-elect. Obama is toast in Nov. COUNT on it.

  11. People are angry all over this planet, they have been used, lied to, abused and maniputated. And behind it all is Islam. Here in America we have a muslim using communism to maniputate us. It is the evil intentions of those doing this that people feel and don't know it. All they know is they are upset.

  12. TREASON IS NOW THE ACCEPTED NORM IN THIS TOTALLY COMPACENT NATION. MORALITY IS DEAD! SO, INLIGHT OF ALL ELSE THAT HAS FAILED, LETS HAVE AT IT SHALL WE! LAST ONE TO DC IS A ROTTEN EGG!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Melba Rowland says:

    I am certainly willing to drive people to the polls. I don't see the States from removing his name from the ballott, but that would of course be the easiest and best thing to do. Even when he is defeated, I don't see him leaving the white house willingly. I see tough times ahead for us no matter who wins…..but once we get him GONE, I do see better times ahead.

  14. This poll is BS …….. just another MSM attempt to hide the very real collapse of the Obama administration. This is not Obamas 9/11 and has no comparison. They knew 3 days before of the impending attack ….and the State Department has a rules of engagement protocol in place forbidding the Marines to carry live rounds in their weapons. BO and HC have American blood on their hands………

  15. True. Obama's anything he can do to hint he is the savior of the USA when, in fact, he says the exact opposite of what he is . A traitor. There is a forensic analization of Obama by a psychiatrist, forensic expert on how Obama is exactly opposite from hianything he says as he speaks in codes. One of which is the "Sandman" representing a house buiilt on sand is swept away and is an example of his father's place of not being there when Obama was a child so that his growing up does not represent a house built on a rock.. sturdy when a wind of disaster hits it. He is very complicated and his hatred for the USA is really a hatred for his father and lack of a father to help him become a man, His character of druggy and others are excuses he can't blame on Bush so he focuses it on his absent father.

    Extraodinary

  16. Only an idiot (pinko dems) wouldn't realize the attacks are in retaliation for "0" spiking the football over Bin Laden's death. I would think his administration approval of the Hollyweird movie was more of an incitement than an OLD Utube clip. But Libs are clueless. I think the wrong Osama was shot.

  17. Nobama is guilty of murdering the 4 heros, because he did not make sure they were protected,.

  18. vietnamvet1971 says:

    Yes you are right about the voting public BUT the Real Stupid thing is the Main Stream and the Censoring they do to keep the Real news from being reported. This is a Crime and the president occupying the WH is GUILTY of treason and other crimes in my opinion.

  19. Well, it's like this–you can do whatever you want to, with numbers. Watch as I take a poll. Hey, Jim, are you going to vote for obama? No, I'm voting for Romney.—and there you have it. The poll is at 100% for Romney. Obama gets no votes.

  20. These same murdering terrorists are the same people we supported to overthrow Qaddafi and the same ones we are suppoorting in Syria.

  21. Its not the votes that count, it is who counts the votes!

  22. Behind it all is the foreign policy of the USA. We are being used to create widespread chaos across the planet for the sak of those that own this country.

  23. Many people report the president did nothing, however he did everything to make it happen just for the sake of reelection. There is nothing but scum in the current administration and WH, along with the lies from the main stream media. Reelect mr. half white.

  24. Victor Barney says:

    CAN NOT ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO IS ANGLO-SAXON NOT SEE THAT THE VERY FIRST "FIRST-BORN BLOOD COVENANT" WAS WITH EVEil, CAIN, LUCIFER, & DEATH? NO? WATCH! BECAUSE IT WILL NOT TAKE MUCH LONGER TO HAPPEN! Just saying what's written! Even the MSM detailed HOW OUR VERBALLY SUPERIOR WOMEN ALONE ELECTED THE "FORBIDDEN FOREIGNER OF DEUTERONOMY 17:15 OVER US AND HIS PROMISED "FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF GOVERNMENT INTO "MARXISM" AND EVEN UNLIKE EVIL ISLAM, MARXISM IS THE "ONLY" SIN THAT NEVER CAN BE FORGIVEN BECAUSE IT DENIES EVEN THE EXISTANCE OF THE SPIRITUAL WORLD! MEN OUT THERE, WELCOME TO ADAM'S WORLD EVEN BEFORE THE THE 1ST MURDERER CAIN WAS BORN! Just saying what's written…

  25. Obama's ratings were boosted because while Romney was childishly attacking Obama for the incidents in Libya and Egypt, Obama was condemning the incidents, as he should have. Romney's a tool and has no chance of winning in November.

  26. He sent 50 marines to defend the post. This is all BS and media BS.

  27. Romney wasn't foolish to call into question O'Bama's policies that got these people killed. He looked statesman-like while the Lame-stream media looked tacky. O'Bama the Shameful is just as responsible for these people's deaths at the Muslims who did it.

  28. If you voted for Obama because he is black, you are a racist. If you didn't vote for Obama because he is black, you are a racist. I did not vote for Obama because his campaign was all talk and no substance. He did not say what "Change" was and now we know and I'm glad I didn't vote for him. independent voter

  29. "Exactly the opposite of anything he says as he speaks in codes…"

    You could probably say that about every politician Dem or Repub in Washington DC.

  30. Sally Dowling says:

    See the Movie 2016 to see who Obama really is and what his goals are for the US. He is anti-capitalism, anti-colonial,( meaning
    our good ally Britain). He is also trying to weaken the country by lowering our defenses.
    Get out the vote for Romney, any way you can! Our free democratic society is at stake!
    The Constitution is worth upholding.

  31. Why would these barbarian muslim attacks 'boost' Obama's numbers? I would think it would insure his defeat!

  32. Texas Chris says:

    You'll have to use that 2nd Amendment to enforce the Declaratino of Independence from the US of A.

  33. I don't really care what Intrade says. I think the American public is waking up to our fascist dictator Obama and he will not be re-elected in 2012. Too many Demos who voted for Obama in 2008 are now discouraged, included those whose votes pushed him over the top: college youth, Afro Americans, and Jews. If the Jews haven't figured it out by now, their vote for Obama will simply be a vote for their own genocide. That would be stupid, indeed. Go see the movie "2016" by Dinesh D'Souza and Hope and Change by disillusioned Liberals. Obama is finished.

  34. Baloney, the Ayatollah Khomeni and his radicals overthrew the Shah of Iran while Carter was in office, took the U.S. Embassy and U.S. workers hostage for over 400 days before Ronald Reagan, who was behind Carter in all polls, won 49 of 50 states in the '80 elections. Americans see the current events as MORE evidence BaROKE OWEbumbler is incompetant, inept, and totally dominated by the leftwing in America and WEAK to the rest of the world. Clint Eastwood's parody with the EMPTY CHAIR was EXCELLENT!! When it comes to intelligence on potential hotspots for terrorism and the murder of our U.S. Ambassador, OWEbumbler has MISSED OVER 50% OF HIS INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS! How can you expect to DEFEND OR PROTECT EMBASSIES AND EMPLOYEES IF YOU DON'T ATTEND THE BRIEFINGS?? In the Oval Office during the Intelligence Briefings–THE PRESIDENT'S CHAIR IS EMPTY–HE'S NOT THERE! Americans will throw this radical bum OUT OF OUR HOUSE IN NOVEMBER!!

  35. If the "administration" is not responsible for these four murders and all the attacks and destruction in the past week, then WHO IS?????

  36. The real problem is not a film— the Middle East is and always will be a mess because they mix their corrupt government politics in with all their old tribal no tolerance religions and we Americans pay for all this with our lives and money.

  37. I don't like Obama (I don't like Romney either!) but to say that reelecting him will spell "genocide" is as over-the-top as the other Romney-ites on this board with their ALL-CAPs responses to everything. If Obama hates Jews, why did he nominate the Jewish Elena Kagan to SCOTUS? Why does Obama have so many Jews in appointive positions in his administration (Sunstein, Napolitano, Schulman, etc., etc.)? Obama still signs those $billion$ checks to Israel every year, makes groveling speeches at AIPAC every year and goes to the Wailing Wall wearing a yarmulke to show how pro-Israel he really is.

  38. The RNC struck a deal with the Ayatollah before the '80 election to keep the embassy occupied until after November. As soon as Reagan was sworn in, presto! the Ayatollah said "Here's your embassy back." The Shah of Iran was also a US-installed puppet who tortured his own people and gave US oil companies sweetheart deals until the Iranian people got fed up with him.

    All these Mideast countries don't hate us for our "freedoms" (which Congress, the courts and whoever-is-in-the-White-House-this-year have been gutting without any outside help), they hate us because we screw around with their countries with drone strikes, invasions, embargos and "regime change". Oh yeah, almost forgot….and whatever reason Israel tells Washington it has to.

  39. Obama helped to create this mess and he gets a rise in polls? How stupid are these so called Americans?

  40. For that matter, How can we know the real results of any pool?

  41. How angry do the American people have to get before something is done? Congress needs to WAKE UP!! The American citizens are waking up slowly. How many ways must we tell CONGRESS to do something? IMPEACH THIS TRAITOR! I am so upset after looking at the photo of Ambassador Stephens body. LIBERALS and the MEDIA NEED to wake up! How can they keep defending this liar, poor excuse for a president, muslim wanna be KING? WE MUST FIGHT harder to get Obama out of office. WE MUST FIGHT harder to make the liberal citizens to see what is happening to the USA. However we talk about all the negatives about Obama and his cronies, they plow right on doing the opposite of what any rational human should do. Does that TELL ANYBODY this country is going down, just as Obama and Soros, and all the other communists have planned? I am sick at heart, am tired of trying to contact ANYONE in the government, from president on down, to listen, especially the congress (sick of writing their titles in capital letters); trying to tell the congress people they are irrelevant; all contact attempts fall on deaf ears, so what are they trying to accomplish–besides siding with a stupind muslim president!!

  42. History repeats itself. 1933, 1941, 1950, 1967, to say nothing of Vietnam. Communism is alive and well in the Soviet union, regardless of what you heard from Moscow. They've traded their Uniforms for Armani and Members Only. Himmler's men helped the Soviets in the middle east by creating and training the Arab League and attacking Israeli settlements until Israel fought back. God took 6 days, so did Israel. Now its the Nation of Islam the world needs to fear. Is the Soviet Union so eager to sell oil that it sets the stage for another mid-east uprising? And what do you think the Money Managers in China, South Africa and Dubai are thinking? Sell short or buy. History repeats itself, always. GBA!!

  43. SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW, WITH HIS ABYSSMALLY INCOMPETENT BUNGLING ON THIS WHOLE SITUATION, HIS POLL NUMBERS COULD POSSIBLY BE UP ? THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS COMPLETELY DROPPED THE BALL ALL THE WAY AROUND ON THIS MESS & HAS PROVEN IT DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT IT'S DOING. WHY DID MARINES HAVE UNLOADED RIFLES WHEN OUR EMBASSIES WERE UNDER ATTACK ? WHY WEREN'T THEY ALLOWED TO BE ISSUED AMMO IN THE FACE OF EMMINENT ATTACK ? WHY DIDN'T THE GOV'T DO ANYTHING IF THEY WERE FOREWARNED THAT ATTACKS WERE COMING ? SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TIME TO ISSUE AMMO & GIVE ORDERS TO DEFEND OUR EMBASSIES. LET MARINES DO WHAT MARINES DO BEST – PUT BOOT TO A$$ FOR OUR COUNTRY !!! WONDER HOW MANY AMBASSADORS ARE RETHINKING THEIR CARRER CHOICES RIGHT ABOUT NOW ? I'M CONCERNED FOR OUR MARINES BEING DENIED THE MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES & OUR EMBASSIES FOR FEAR OF PI$$ING OFF A BUNCH OF RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS. I SAY SCREW 'EM, TURN THE WHOLE REGION INTO A GLASS PARKING LOT. OR, EMP THE WHOLE AREA BACK TO THE STONE AGE & LEAVE 'EM THERE !!!! MARINES, THE GOV'T MAY NOT BE, BUT THIS ARMY VET'S ON YOUR SIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. […] Libyan Attack Sends Obama's Odds Through the Roof […]

  45. The only people "setting the stage for another mid-east uprising" are the US and Israel. Netanyahu wants to invade Iran before his Oct. elections because he is probably going to lose. The US wants war in the mid-east because it has screwed up the domestic economy so hopelessly it can't figure a way to get out…except to have another world war like the first two. If the US does that it can blame all the coming inflation, shortages, rationing and high taxes on The War, any war.

    Russia and China have already told the US that they have strategic interests and trade partnerships in Iran that the US and Israel are trying to destroy. It is the US and Israel that are acting like mad dogs on the world stage.

  46. Quote: "Military men are just dumb animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy". That was said by Henry Kissinger who was a Republican secretary of state before you were probably born.

  47. And to continue to tell the world our Marines donot have bullets in their guns is STUPID! If you are guarding someone, especially in another country! What are they to do? What a bunch of JERKS our military commanders have become. THROW Billory in front of a mob with guns w/o bullets.

  48. American Patriot says:

    I wouldn't vote for Odumba for all the gold the jews stole from Fort Knox. Rummy will be no better and controlled by the same CULT.

  49. 48% of voters live off of Uncle Sam and do not give a !#***! what happens as long as they get Thier free !#$$ ,,,, So of course they will vote for Obama who is there own kind.

  50. American Patriot says:

    Congress is controlled by the jews AIPAC so don't exect any help from them.

  51. What will it take to wake up these ignorant people from their Obama induced stupor?

  52. I agree but trying to get through to a liberal is like trying to get through to a doorknob. Any explaination goes over their head and if you talk as to a child then they don't believe what you are saying as the Communist media hasan't said so. We have a neighbor who believes that the anti Muslim video caused the Muslims to take over Egypt and is taking over Syria. And that the Muslims are actually nice people only have been discriminated against and finally want to defend their 'rights'. I have given up on making her understand anything. Her husband being a vet isn't going against his wife either because he either agrees with her or doesn't want to fight with her. It amazes me how truly ignorant libs really are. A scientist once said they have a problem in how their brain connects with things, especially common sense and I do believe that after dealing with some of them.

  53. Now is the time two take back the country it's called the 2 AMENDMENT.IT's time to over throw this communist government if now till me when i'm tired of waiting.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE

  54. The only way to get obama out of office now is to shoot him sents congrees won't impeach him.

  55. AGREE 100%………………and also put an empty chair in your front yard to show support for the removal Obama and the support of Clint Eastwoods's presentation at the convention. Took a while for people to really catch on but now………….Wow…those who get it …GET IT!!!

  56. AMEN<, brothers and sisters!

  57. I so agree with you and so do LOTS of my neighbors and friends!

  58. […] President. The psychology is this: “Rally round the flag. The President is carrying the flag.”READ MORE September 17th, 2012 | Tags: Ambassador Stephens, libya, Mainstream media, Obama, Obama's Odds, […]

  59. another act of treason By Obama and he gains in the polls? Obama makes excuses for the planned attack on the embassies and the death of our Ambassador who was dragged through the streets Ala Mogadishu and Obama and Hillary make excuses for the violence on the anniversary of the events of 9/11/2001 saying that it was a video that caused the troubles. When in fact Obama was advancing the “Arab Spring” yet again to expand the reach of the Muslim Brotherhood from inside our government yet again. It is called treason and sedition.

  60. If votin against O'Vomit makes me a raciest the damn it Im raciest of the first degree. This Fool is leading Our beloved America into the streets of hell, Straight into being Commie/Muslim antichrist people it time to wake up think of your kids and Grand kids what you will be doing to them. No freedom as we know it ,no working at a job you want and a life in a prisoner camp SOOOOOO damn stupid a vote for O'Vomit is a vote to END America as we know and love it. Damn it vote the Devils Antichrist Out WAKE the Hell UP folks,NOW

  61. This is what Muslim/Islam does. They have no regard for life, dignity or respect. I lived there, I know what the believe and what they do. They are our enemies and the sooner the government and the people of the U.S. wake up, things will change. They are no longer afraid of repercussions, think we are weak and laugh at us. It sickens me.

    "Our beliefs determine our values; our values determine our decisions and actions" Author Unknown

    "Wake Up America!"

    "One of the penalties of not participating in politics is that you will be governed by your inferiors" Plato

  62. And if this skyrockets his elect-ability, then there is NO hope for this nation! I can't see anything he did to warrant this rise! You are right on in your statement. America is doomed. Pity! I have never in my long life been afraid of my government till now! I guess most everybody else is happy with it, if they think Obama is a swell guy in his handling of this tragedy!

  63. A little late for that, wasn't it? Were they allowed to have weapons? Are you sure they didnt have to use bean bags against RPGs and machine guns? He should defend us Americans against all enemies or step down and get somebody who will!!

  64. If they were allowed to have the proper security in the first place, this might not have happened! Since the host country did not provide protection, they were sitting ducks! You can thank Hillary and Obama for that. I do not see why people do not see what is going on. MSM or not, they can search the internet and find opposing views can't they? Seems logic is missing these days.

  65. brother roi says:

    The recent events prove that some peoples cannot be trusted with the responisibility of democracy.

  66. October surprise….

    Want To Know Why The Muzzies Are Sacking Embassies?
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=211509

  67. Because the main stream media outlets are busy continuing to hide any facts which would cast a negative shadow on their chosen "god" obama. Very sad but true!

  68. keepersleeper says:

    When those of you who support Obama get ready to pull that lever in the voting booth, just remember this: Obama's bow to the Saudi royal put his a## in ALL our faces…no discrimination!

  69. Get your head out of the liberal DemocRAT pablum, U.S. and GOP had absolutely ZERO connection with the muslim mullahs in IRAN, YOU don't remember the popular saying around that time: "What's black and white and glows at night? IRAN after Reagan becomes President." Iran released the hostages to escape the military retribution they expected from Reagan over the crisis. The PEOPLE of Iran don't hate America, they've pleaded for help to remove the Ayatollahs and Ahmadenajad from power. The U.S. helped prop up the Shah just as we helped keep Mubarak in Egypt in power–MUSLIM caliphate is about a WORLD government under Sharia Islamic law–all across these mid-east countries, radical muslim governments are taking control–Yemen, Egypt, Libya,Tunisia have had leaders overthrown, Bahrain, Kuwait, Morocco, Sudan, Lebanon, Mauritania, Oman, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti and Western Sahara have seen violent protests ALL in favor of Islamic Sharia rule, western countries have supported governments in those countries that have kept the radical Islamists under control.

  70. All the polls are being manipulated. The election will be manipulated. We are being manipulated to be given the idea that we have any impact on either.

  71. Boxerbuddy4 says:

    I have heard the same thing about fortunes turning in Obama's favor just before the elections…only I heard gas prices will drop, unemployment will magically improve as will the economy. I didnt expect riots in the middle east would help him at all. What an upside down world we live in now.

  72. I absolutely fail to see how the uprisings in the Middle East and the murder of a wonderful ambassador and several other innocent Americans made Obama's ratings or odds go up. They should be at a big fat 0 now. I am hoping and praying the liberal democrats wake up and smell the coffee before the election. We are in big trouble if they don't!!!

  73. It just blows my mind. To me these attacks represent a five alarm fire calling Patriots to remove the usurping fraud from the White House before even more damage is done.

  74. Who would want Obama defending thus country he is scared of his own shadow.

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  76. snakearbusto says:

    Advocating the overthrow of the US government is a federal crime, pal. A word to the wise…

  77. snakearbusto says:

    Thanks for telling the truth. It's like fresh air and cool clear water.

  78. snakearbusto says:

    Zero connection? The plane bringing the hostages back touched down just as Reagan was putting his hand on the Bible to swear the oath, just to make sure anybody who was watching knew about the deal he negotiated. Later Reagan sold weapons to the Ayatollahs' government to support his subversion of democracy in Latin America. Two counts of intelligence with a foreign power.
    As for the regimes who keep the Islamic radicals at bay, what about Saddam Hussein and Ghaddafi, who were basically secular leaders – as is Assad, whom the US is currently working to overthrow. What about the secular regime in Afghanistan the US helped overthrow by basically creating the Taliban and Al Qaeda? The US and its corporate-puppet governments, both Democrat and Republican, support Islamic radicals if it's in their interest, and support dictators if it's in their interest. Keep feeding us the pablum, pal.

  79. snakearbusto says:

    I got news for you, Doll. "Muslim/Islam" is not a country. It's a religion, like Christianity. But whether it's a country or a religion, maligning all its people is just. Plain. Stupid.

  80. snake "doll"

    I'm quite aware of Islam and Muslims. I lived in the Middle East for many years. The 'peasants' or common/village people are lovely, however, they are terrified, intimidated and lorded over by the more radical sects of Islam/Muslims. Unfortunately, it is because of the the culture of fear and violence that is accepted, the radicals tend to prevail. It is that which I was referring to. I appreciate your opinion, but I lived with the real deal for far too long. By the way, I lived IN Afghanistan and Lebanon, just FYI.

  81. snakearbusto says:

    What you say here is much more reasonable. Not all Islamic people lack regard for life. I would even say that not only the common/village people but the great majority of people in cities too, and the more educated ones as well as the less educated ones, are probably a lot like you and me – concerned with doing their jobs and providing for their families. Just as the majority of the people in the US probably don't think their government should be invading and occupying countries in the Middle East and elsewhere just because they have oil. And I would also guess that the majority of the people in those countries don't blame what our leaders and our military do in their part of the world on us ordinary citizens. But our leaders encourage us to fear and hate people in other countries and of other religions, just as the radical Islamists do, and want to convince us that there's an enemy out there who wants to destroy us. And so we allow them to continue their destroying of other people's countries. And that's true of both sides of the aisle. Anyway that's my opinion.