In upholding Obamacare, which is in fact Pelosicare, Chief Justice Roberts wrote the majority opinion. He indulged in some lawyer-like deception, as lawyers are paid to do. The law specifically says that the mandatory payment for not buying insurance is a penalty, not a tax. He determined that this penalty would be unconstitutional if it were a penalty (commerce clause), so, lo and behold, it’s a tax!
This is all nonsense, of course. The government has regulated lots of things under the commerce clause, telling people what they must do, can do, and cannot do. If the Supreme Court gives any regulation a thumbs-up, the regulation continues. No single case is going to reverse the federal bureaucracy from pursuing its agenda under the commerce clause.
One man’s opinion on what the commerce clause means is merely his opinion. This opinion does not bind the federal bureaucracy or any future Court decision. It just gave Roberts a way to justify his theory of the legality of unlimited federal taxation, now to be collected as fines for not buying health insurance.
He argued that the government can now force residents and citizens of the United States to buy health care insurance that they do not want, or else face a government-imposed fine for not buying it. He called this a tax. The majority five accepted this.
To the extent that his opinion has established a precedent, Roberts has at long last legalized open economic fascism to America. Of course, it has been alive and well ever since the New Deal, and really since the First Bank of the United States (1791 to 1811). But now it has been placed under the judicial umbrella of a Supreme Court decision.
Economic fascism is the doctrine that there is a government-business alliance that makes the nation wealthy or strong militarily. This idea has never had a judicial basis before. Now it does.
A tax in America prior to last week was a payment by the citizen or legal entity to an agency of civil government. Not so in the new, improved American fascism, as articulated by Chief Justice Roberts. In fascism, a compulsory payment to a private, profit-seeking entity is considered a tax. You can pay it to an insurance company, or you can pay a fine to the federal government. Take your pick. They are both taxes.
If Roberts’ opinion sticks, the national fascist state has its marching orders.
The central government in Washington now has the power to compel Americans to pay private companies for services they do not want, on penalty of a fine. But this fine is now called a tax.
I have read a conservative’s whitewash of this monstrous decision. The writer says this was a ruling of great cunning. It was, indeed. This is one more example of terminally naive conservatives who dream that the American fascist state can be reversed on a legal technicality. Not now. Not if Roberts’ argument sticks.
Roberts has enunciated as a principle of law the fundamental principle of the fascist economy: there is a legitimate government-business alliance, established by law, which places government over the private, profit-seeking business, and the business in return is granted some of the immunities possessed by the state. It means that a business can make you an offer you can’t refuse. This principle is now the law of the land.
Americans must now pay insurance companies their pound of flesh or else pay a fine to the federal government. This fine is called a tax by Roberts.
Watch premiums rise!
Economically, nothing has changed. It’s the same old system. What makes this new variant new is that it is judicially protected under the taxation clause rather than the commerce clause.
It’s like dog turds or cat turds. Take your pick.
We must now pay a "tax" on an unconstitutional bill. Great process of justification.
Not to worry. The democrats removed all elegibility and verification requirements which would keep illegals out of the ACA. Now with the removal of enforcement of immigration laws and nothing really stopping illegals from using the ACA, millions of ilegals will get free healthcare and overload the system faster tan Reagans Star wars swamped the russians.
bend over tax payers. the libertarian neocon dream is about to come true. the end of all entitlments via economic suicide.
It is going to be hard to fight more wars for isreal when we are paying final stage nursing home care for Jose and Vishtani and Ting Lings grandmothers.
Im not paying it!! Gov can try and fine me but they won’t get a dime !! I will be the first to start throwing items into the Boston river!!!!
Ever hear of taxation without representation judge Roberts!! Go back to school Roberts because you are a complete idiot and you don’t know crap about the law!! I’d like Roberts himself try to tax me, she what happens!!!
so what is roberts up to – determined to make joe public throw bho admin out in Nov. Or is he a true gobalist as H Bush talked of nwo, W appointed Roberts, and Kisssinger on video said bho would usher in nwo and with all of bho's gov't takeover exec orders – makes one wonder – will there even be an election?
I am a Constitutional lawyer and licensed to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court. It is my opinion that Chief Justice Roberts is another Manchurian Candidate as his opinion is a true fraud designed to further the Communist conspiracy to destroy the United States of America.
America should demand the resignation of Roberts and if he does not comply within one week, impeachment proceedings should be started against the criminal.
I can't believe all of you are missing what Roberts did. He SLAMMED Obama down by calling it a tax and now Obama is spinning as much as he can cause O ran on it would not be a tax. Next by calling it a tax he forced it to go to the House of Representatives where all taxes must start. And yes he pissed off a lot of you. So now maybe you will vote this November to remove O. Roberts has handed the Republicans the Golden Opportunity to destroy Obama Care once and for all.
Let us see if the Republicans in the House, yet once again, screw it up and snatch (Obama's) defeat from the jaws of victory (for the people) and force it upon us.
A lady bought a new Lexus & it cost a bundle. Two days later, she brought it back,
complaining that the radio was not working.
"Madam," said the sales manager, "the audio system in this car is completely automatic.
All you need to do is tell it what you want to listen to, and you will hear exactly that!"
She drove out, somewhat amazed and a little confused. She looked at the radio and said,
"Nelson." The radio responded, "Ricky or Willie?" She was astounded. If she wanted
Beethoven, that's what she got. If she wanted Nat King Cole, she got it.
She was stopped at a traffic light enjoying "On The Road Again" when the light turned
green and she pulled out. Suddenly an enormous sports utility vehicle coming from
the street she was crossing sped toward her, obviously not paying attention to the light.
She swerved and narrowly missed a collision.
"Idiot!" she yelled and, from the radio, "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States."
TEN POOREST CITIES
Interesting to say the least.
City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit , MI
2. Buffalo , NY
3. Cincinnati , OH
4. Cleveland , OH
5. Miami , FL
5. St. Louis , MO
7. El Paso , TX
8. Milwaukee , WI
9. Philadelphia , PA
10. Newark , NJ
What do the top ten cities
(over 250,000) with the highest
poverty rate all have in common?
Detroit, MI (1st on the list)hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn'telected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.
The author starts by saying that Obamacare, "is in fact Pelosicare", yet provides no facts to pack it up. Surprise. Later comes, "Roberts has at long last legalized open economic fascism to America." Apparently he's not aware of the "Citizens United" decision. Throughout, he writes of, "economic fascism". Fascism is fascism. Mussolini said that fascism ought more rightly be called "Corporatism" as it combines corporate and state powers. Putting the word "economic" is just more typical RWNJ hyperbole.
Don't forget Pittsburgh, we're polluted with dumbasscrats.
Roberts move was either brilliant, or insane! There can be no in between on the issue. Does Roberts want to infuriate the public in such a way, that they will harbor only hatred for Obama, and his administration? Does Roberts truly think that the federal branch of government has this right to tax, the already tax burdened citizens of America?
Roberts was threatened, he caved. and sold out the USA to Muslim Islamism.
When Israel falls WE are next. Do you not understand that Israel is the "little satan" and we are the "Big Satan" and that a man named Hussein is behind the whole thing.
Antietam x 1,000,000 is on the way only this time the Federal Scum will be on the loosing end .Neo-Liberal Progressive Social Communist are afraid of guns so we “REAL AMERICAN” will have a “TURKEY SHOOT” this time around 🙂
Rhodesia & South Africa were abandoned by the West & now look what has happened…END of Western Civilization… Just like Domino’s…
When implemented I will have to pay additional taxes so poorer people than I can have insurance. It was 30 years after high school that I was able to go to college. Now, obama is telling me I will have to pay more taxes for someone else to go to college for free. This really $ucks. We The People are running out of Freedoms to talk about – But only in private cause we never know when big bro is listening, and that would be a federal offense.
Pretty sure it was voted as constitutional, there, bucko. Also, it's really just am expansion of Romneycare.
No, Delmar, illegals do not benefit from ACA. Read the bill again. I did.
romney care was done on a stste level which is legal, obozocare was done on the federal level which is illegal!
If you are so smart why are so you are dumb.
Love it, Raymond.
What happened to the idea of "ORIGINAL INTENT?" The liberals who drafted BOcare sell it as a mandate to the public, and argue vigorously against calling it a tax so why did Roberts calls it a tax? Roberts made an arbitrary political decision. BOcare should have been ruled unconstitutional. Congress needs to disregard the Court's arbitrary opinion and repeal BOcare.
In our circle, we have been talking about a petition of the people to only have CONSTITUTIONAL attorney's in the administration of our government, no "Bar – Card" attorney's belong in the peoples service. Bar card attorney's are for the Corporation.
Thanks Raymond. Very informative. Maybe you can help me out of something. The law apparently states that the mandatory payment is a penalty. Justice Roberts changd that to a tax. Since the Obamacare bill does not call it a tax Roberts has basically changed the wording (or intent) of the law. Since all taxation must be initiated in the U.S. House of Representatives doesn't this redefinition of penalty to tax force the bill to be null and void and therefore needs to be re-initiated as a tax bill in the House. Am I right or wromg? Please respond with your opinion if you see my comment? My U.S. Representative has not responded to this question.
The Ten Commandments According to Obama the muslim.
I. Thou shalt have no God in America, except for me. For we are no longer a Christian nation and, after all, I am the chosen One. (And like God, I do not have a birth certificate.)
II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, unless it is my face carved on Mt. Rushmore.
III. Thou shalt not utter my middle name in vain (or in public). Only I can say Barack Hussein Obama.
IV. Remember my tax day, April 15th, to keep it holy.
V. Honour thy father and thy mother until they are too old and sick to care for. They will cost our public-funded health-care system too much money.
VI. Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted, unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a baby.
VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery if you are conservative or a Republican. Liberals and Democrats are hereby forgiven for all of their infidelity and immorality, but the careers of conservatives will be forever destroyed.
VIII. Thou shalt not steal, until you've been elected to public office. Only then is it acceptable to take money from hard-working, successful citizens and give it to those who do not work, illegal immigrants, or those who do not have the motivation to better their own lives.
IX. Thou shalt not discriminate against thy neighbor unless they are conservative, Caucasian, or Christian.
X. Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved the American Dream that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or material goods left for you to covet.
America is moving towards a dictatorship.
Communists now have control of America.
Sad but true.
Attorney DonRor, you need to learn how to think logically about what you read. Article VII can't be used for its ostensible purpose, and every attempt to do so involves presupposing its establishment before beginning the task of comparing alleged evidence of ratification to the criteria given in A7.
Do you understand the problem? I suspect not, as the minds of lawyers tend to revolve in revolve in circles. Still, such a failure on your part would not change the fact that licit criteria for ratification, like those for establishment, must come from outside the Constitution.
So, did your law school ever show you from where to obtain the necessary criteria? Well, no. There aren't any such criteria, and there never have been, not even in the opinion published by Washington and others who attended the convention in Philly. This is how we know that belief in the great Constitution is misguided.
Never you mind impeaching Roberts. That would presuppose establishment of the Constitution. Instead, call him up, encourage him to abandon the bench, and ask him to collaborate with you in suing your law schools and their professors for fraud.
Have your circle read Article VII, then pose the following question: How could that article be a source of the criteria given there without presupposing establishment of Article VII?
Hi Raymond, Of course the republicans are going to screw it up and dodge taking any action beyond using it against Obama in the upcoming election. So, let's use the game plan Roberts laid out for us. He threw the ball back in our lap and told us how to do it. Continuing to tolerate the Senate and House failing to keep the President in check puts us in the position of aiding and abetting all crimes such as fast and furious gun walking program they commit. We still have the internet and we can make this go viral., by forwarding.
The gist of that ruling is that Congress is in charge of taxes,. it is a tax and all taxes are to be levied equally on all citizens. The president and congress have levied a tax on us and exempted themselves from that tax, and also granted waivers exempting huge groups from that tax. Who is in a position to repeal this tax? Congress! Who was supposed to be keeping a check on the President? Congress! Who is supposed to be in control of Congress? "We the People". EXERT THE POWER WE HAVE!!!
To all our legislators in Washington, DC:
We the People of the United States of America do hereby take back the power of OUR government of the people, by the people and for the people, whom you legislators seem to have forgotten that you work for. This is not an overthrow of our Constitution, but a regaining our government from the new world order puppets who are very close to destroying this nation from within.You have 1 week to totally repeal and totally defund the Obama Health Care Reform bill. Failure to do so will result in your immediate arrest and detainment while awaiting trial on charges of fraud, high treason criminal charges , such as the murders of those killed in the "fast and furious" gun walking or running program. We the people refuse to aid and abet criminal behavior which we would be doing by failing to take action to stop such activity and continuing to pay thesalaries of anyone involved in such.
We further demand immediate action be taken against those involved in the fraud that put the name of an ineligible, apparently not even a legal citizen, on the ballots to be elected, beginning with the arrest of Barack Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi (who allegedly sent out letters stating that he was eligible to hold the position), Joe Biden, Michele Obama and any others who knowingly assisted the perpetration of this fraud and treason upon We the People.
We further demand immediate arrest of Eric Holder, and any other federal government employ who knew about this program as early as Holder did, and did nothing to stop it. Their guilt is shown by some of those leaked documents and no further proof should be required for their immediate arrest, trial and conviction. We further demand the arrest of Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton who is reportedly engaged in sealing a "Small Arms Treaty" with the UN, which would violate the Second Amendment of our Constitution.
We further demand the immediate arrest and indefinite detainment of all the czars and appointees of this administration on suspicion that they are terrorist engaged in the attempt to destroy this Nation from within our own government.
We further demand that the United States end all involvement in these useless wars we are currently engaged in, and return all American troops to this Country immediately. Written on July 4th, 2012.
We hereby cast our vote to appoint Dr. Ron Paul to act as interim President of the United States, with a Vice President and other appointees of his choosing, until the elections in November 2012.
We, the undersigned, do hereby swear that we are legal citizens of the United States of America, of voting age and registered to vote.
Joyce S. Duke -1462 Ridge Circle – Joelton, Tennessee
Please join me in making our voices heard. This is as blatant as I can get. If you can come up with a more blatant way, share it and I'll gladly join you.
Pelosi is the idiot who infamously declared – "Pass this bill so we can find out what is in it" and all the other idiots present voted to pass it! Let's hope there are enough people too smart too vote to reelect any idiot who voted to pass the bill.
From keeping up with the news sources on line – I think it would be closer to being Kagan's bill than Pelosi's, since she is said to have a lot to do with drafting it. Seems I also remember reading something about she being in the position at Harvard and finagling Obama's law degree in exchange for a $23 million donation to Harvard University. Before November, people need to seek out information on how similar Romney's proposed health care reform bill is to Obamacare.
In the near future you will probably have to update VI.
Raymond, have you not seen the latest FBI pamphlet on who Big Brother wants everyone to watch out for and report as a possible terrorist?
You left off a few that it is OK to discriminate against:; returned or returning veterans, people who always pay cash,
anyone with more than a 5 day food supply, ones with an anti-Obama or pro Ron Paul bumper sticker, etc.
Will be first in line to go to jail for not paying or for the guillotine. Since i am an unemployable truck driver (my full time job) and a member of the National Guard (part time, where i was working and they decided to lay me and several others off !) where no one else will hire me because of my obligation and duty that i chose to serve and defend my fellow Americans. So when its all said and done i will have No Insurance and No Income to pay for Anything…And a Christian, so here i come FT. Leavenworth !
Sorry to say but the correct word Is "Murder" !!! Its the V commandment and it says "Thou shalt Not Murder" !!!
Until the Lord comes this second time we all still Have to Kill so that we can continue to eat up to that day !
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2. Listen to The PowerHour with Joyce Riley.
3. Listen to Politics & Religion with Irvine Baxter.
Dear Leader loves us….doesn't he?
its a tax law little late the communist have taken over,
It will be interesting to see how our Armed Forces react when they are ordered into the streets to control
Time for secession. If barry is not voted out. I will never submit to a law that takes our tax money and funds murder. We can not force people not to have an abortion. God gives us a free moral choice. But, I for one will not support it. Time to secede. This time God will be with the states that secede. "God hates those who shed innocent blood"
Gary's statement "it's dog turds, or cat turds, take your pick", reminded me of one of my son-in-law's favorite questions – -"What do you get when you polish a turd?" (obama-soetoro) No, but Roberts did give US a bit of "sage advice"- -"The court cannot dictate whom we elect" (or words to that effect)- -in this case, we got what the majority of voters (legal??) asked for! Basically telling US, to vote this administration out and fix the damage!
That's what they get when you are too damn lazy to run your own life. There is no cure for people who believe everything they are told without checking it out for themselves. Those who don't read and understand history are doomed to repeat it. You cannot compromise your vote and win in the long run. If you think that NOT voting for someone that you know is better for the whole, over someone that you think has a better chance of winning; then, you are already defeated by compromising your beliefs, which basically means that the faith/confidence you thought you had was never there. You are only wrong if you did the wrong thing; not, if you did the right thing and was out voted by wrong.
Roberts wouldn't be on the highest court if he weren't a member of the global power elite, promoting their one world agenda. If anyone thinks there is one bit of difference between a democratic administration and a republican one, then Roberts and his team have nothing to worry about. If we keep fighting that fight then we miss the whole point.
Of course there will be an election. They count the votes and choose the candidates. Elections don't matter and frankly never have.
Change will not happen through political channels. Withdraw your consent to be governed.
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hopefully they'll let the oval office occupier lose and he can be the mideast caliphate…
I think Obama had a hand in the ruling probably watching from behind the bush making sure he’s stinking health care stays. Which is going to cost us tax payers billions.
Thanks for this information. I find it very revealing and interesting.
And thanks for your service to our country.
You are to be highly praised.
Ninty percent will join the NewConfederacy and ten percent will stay in the DemoSociailist Rainbow Army.
The South already fought one war against Federal Terrorism, maybe your right? It might be time for round two!
Thank you Ben.
If they tell me i got to have this insurance i weill tell them to shove it.
Dr North: Miracle Max came to mind after reading this: "why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?" It crystallized what i've been mulling over:
1. This law was nonsense in how it was formulated
2. It is nonsense in what it portends to do and how it goes about it
3. It was nonsense how it passed through Congress
4. It was nonsense how it was argued before SCOTUS, and
5. Despite having toyed with the idea "maybe Roberts ensured Obama would have to run AGAINST PPACA in 2012", it is clear it was nonsense, as you state, how SCOTUS decided it
No, it was not "VOTED" as constitutional. Justice Roberts decided it was constitutional. Unfortuantely, people don't have any idea what is all in the 2500+ pages of the bill. Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8 for a 10 minute review of the "worst parts" of the bill or google 'hr3200' and you will find all kinds of info both pro and con. Then make up your mind. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get educated so you know what this bill is going to do to your freedom. IT IS A BIG POWER BY THE GOVERNMENT.
I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS BILLL.
Being that the constitutional framers nowhere acknowledged the God of the Bible or His morality as found in His perfect law and altogether righteous judgments no one should be surprised at this and multitudes of other similar decisions by both liberal and "conservative" justices.
"Nowhere does the Constitution stipulate that judges must rule on behalf of Yahweh, rendering decisions based upon His commandments, statutes, and judgments as required in Exodus 18. That not even one constitutional framer contended for Yahweh, as did King Jehoshaphat, speaks volumes about the framers’ disregard for Him and His judicial system:
'And he [King Jehoshaphat] set judges in the land throughout all the fenced cities of Judah, city by city, and said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for YHWH,4 who is with you in the judgment…. And he charged them, saying, Thus shall ye do in the fear of YHWH, faithfully, and with a perfect heart.' (2 Chronicles 19:5-9)…"
Excerpted from "Article 3: Judicial Usurpation" Chapter 6 of "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective." Click my name and then go to our Online Book Page. Also do not miss our Constitution Survey in the right-hand column by which you can receive a free copy of the 85-page "Primer" of the book just mentioned.
And he had the gall to slap the piss in our face while doing all this, saying it's not his job to protect us from our political decisions while engaging in judicial legislation. While that would be true if the law was indeed constitutional, but he has an oath to uphold the Constitution, not rewrite legislation through the rubric of interpretation. The question was never does the Congress have the power to tax, but did it do so. The answer is self evident – no, it called it a penalty, structured it as a penalty and intended to coerce under threat. What he's really telling us is that he isn't going to govern himself and hold himself accountable to his oath because that was one of our political decisions and he is absolved from any obligation, we should have known he was a dishonorable man.
I about puked when the news reports follow with some allegation of political meanderings, intended the decision to give a win to the Father of Obamacare, Mitt Romney. Then the other hypothesis of restoring balance by reducing coercive threats against the States, but they failed to tell you a previous decision allows Congress to amend all of its contracts at any time and prevent voluntary withdrawal of government programs. OK, so they can't threaten to take money away, but they can so no, this is Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
The Republicans will never repeal this, ever; it's too much power, too big, and already operating and converting everything to its presuppositions; activated HillaryCare hidden in HIPA, so it's principles would be operating as regulations anyway. I don't see any political solutions at all, emigration may be our only answer.
REMEMBER GERMANY, THE PEOPLE ALLOWED A DESPOT TO RUN THEIR COUNTRY,A DESPOT IS NOW RUINING AMERICA,. BEWARE,THINK DEEPLY, ASK YOUR SELVES,SHOULD WE ALLOW THIS TO GO ON? IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO US,WE WILL HAVE ONLY OURSELVES TO BLAME., AND CRY FOREVER IF WE GO THAT ROUTE SO WILL OUR CHILDREN
I never in my long lifetime thought I would be afraid of our government! I am now.