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BATF Seeks Ban on “Military” Shotguns: Over 5 Rounds

Written by Gary North on May 28, 2012

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is inviting public comments on its new rule regarding shotguns. It plans to ban them.

There will be a ban on imports. (Note: watch prices rise on those already in the USA.)

The basis of this ban will be the guns’ semi-automatic status. It the magazine has more than five rounds, the weapon will be banned.

Why? Because the BATF designates these as “military.”

Somehow, I cannot see Sergeant York with a 7-round shotgun taking on the Germans.

Gen. George Patton wore ivory-handled revolvers. I wonder if these are scheduled for a ban.

The guns must be used in sport, only.

Yet there are shooting competitions involving held by national shooting clubs.

 Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it “will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.”

 If you want to comment on the proposed ban, send an email to [email protected].

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48 thoughts on “BATF Seeks Ban on “Military” Shotguns: Over 5 Rounds

  1. ccfonten says:

    ATF and the odumbo regime are trying to chip away at our 2nd Amendment rights. Well, it isn't going to work! We Americans WILL stand up for our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms despite your best efforts!

    • connie davis says:

      I think we should ban the ATF.

      • Very Good Idea, Connie, thank you. Ban the ATF – and the Dept of Education b/c they're dumbing down our kids and indoctrinating them, making them sheeple, as they've done for decades, ever more so. I Agree with the majority of comments posted. Gov’t is Out of Control and must be stopped from usurping our freedom under the Constitution. Congress, law enforcement, military, ALL took the oath and many break it. But please see the DATE April 2011. May be a divisive effort to dredge up something defeated already. Some sites actually raise money or get paid for sending petitions or faxes to Congress about (tyranny) So, there is motive to bring up old stuff. it's important, but it may not be Timely. Distraction is a big tactic for the Powers that Shouldn’t Be. They have America trained to watch tv and to turn against each other, making so many things about race or class, that ARE NOT. Distract, Divide and Disinform – that is, tell us stuff to get us riled at each other and arguing about things, so that we fail to see the vote fraud that’s taking place for example, and that we fail to see there is no material difference betweeen republican and democrat.

        • You are so right!!! The smokescreen of irrelevance needs to be recognized for what it is. No one in their right mind cares how many shells a shotgun holds. We should care about both major parties offering candidates who are focused on one World government. The shotgun thing is an obvious part of the smokescreen.

      • DW Clark says:

        there are too few real Americans left to stand up and fight for their own lives much less something as abstract as the wording in our Bill of Rights. Too many libs and those of the PC strain are crawling among us like the maggots on the carcass of a dead camel.

    • The only solution to this and scores of other problems is to change regimes on Nov. 6, 2012. You should be talking to your acquaintances and neighbors and relatives about this NOW. Not just guns – The out of control National Debt that will destroy America – Holder's keeping states from implementing voter ID laws – The XL Pipeline halted – Off-shore drilling halted – Amnesty for illegal aliens – and on and on and on. If you find a person can't be engaged on one of these topics they are a hopeless ObamaNut. Don't waste your time on them but do keep sounding out others. The Presidency is not a beauty contest.

      • williemcd says:

        Pong.. great post. A raft of reasons to get this guy out of office. I started a face book effort to highlight some of the points you make. The screen name on there is blucollarbill . I live in a swing state (Virginia) and am hoping others will duplicate the effort! I'm adding at least 2 reasons NOT to vote for this POS in Nov.

      • We are brainwashed that Romney is GOP winner. They can’t let us see a Defender of the Constitution. We are broke, and Can't keep borrowing to fund wars undeclared. Eisenhower Warned us wars are fought for the gain of war profiteers and the politicos in their pockets… Hear Ike & JFK, on the harm in secret powers. Look into the Fed, bankrupting us for decades. Neocons and Libs fight at the whim of the elite, as the Govt – (ALL) trample the Constitution, our rights, turn our country into a police state. Please Research why they’re making Ron Paul invisible, and in spite of that, thousands turn out to hear him speak of liberty and how/why it's stolen from us. It’s not too late to restore America, Together. Govt is the problem – “it’s the economy, stupid” (again) Congress knows the Pres should Not have the huge powers he grabbed. Romney can't wait to wield them. We heard him in the debate. Ron Paul left SC campaigning, Newt took it, once "Christians" booed the Golden Rule. Ron Paul went to DC, to Start to Repeal NDAA. He went to Do His JOB, instead of campaigning! For 3 Days he was there Fighting SOPA and NDAA.

        • If the Republicans nominate Ron Paul they will save their party and the USA. He would win in a landslide. A REAL contrast to Obama instead of just a "not as bad" contrast. If the Republicans don't nominate Ron Paul, maybe the Constitution Party will. It was a minority party, the Republican Party, that nominated Abraham Lincoln and he won. Maybe it is time for the Constitution Party to make its self known.

          • Yes Paul, I agree completely. All the people need is a Way to vote for Ron Paul. He needs to be a choice, not a write in and then you are right, he would win in a landslide. The Lesser of two evils, is still evil 'lite'. We've had enough of that. Penn Gillette, of Penn & Teller, talks about that lesser of two evils thing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai

    • yep if they have there way , we will be like England unable to defend our family and love ones. To hell with that.

  2. Just anothr gun grab scheme. Don't fall for this crap, people.

  3. Captain Shays says:

    What these power grabbers areaffair od is the people being able to fight back AGAINST THEM. But the 2dn Amendment is partially designed exactly for us to fight against them if we need to. But it's also for defending THIS country by the hands of the citizen militia which EVERY ONE of us is part of.
    Who would have thought that 19 hijackers would fly planes into buildings? Who would have thought that our government's response would be to take more and more of our rights and become more and more authoritarian?
    Who would think that our enemies could get together, come into our country illgeally, hide out for a while, laying low until there is enough of them and then all of a sudden when there are two or three million of them here start killing us in large numbers while our military is positioned in 140 OTHER countries? Who would be here to defend our families but us? And what does the TSA want us to defend our families with? Pea shooters.

  4. dadzrites says:

    It's time for every gun owner and Second Amendment Rights group to start moving to eliminate the 1968 Gun Control Act. What many people don't realize is that the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act was taken, almost verbatim, from the Nazi Gun Control Act of 1939. All groups and members should be challenging their Congresscritters on the Gun Control Act saying it was taken from the Nazi law, and anyone who upholds a Nazi law in this country has violated their constitutional oaths of office, making it felony official misconduct, false swearing upon taking the oath, treason, sedition, and is impeachable.

    • patriot says:

      Well stated, dadzrites! Thanks for shedding light on that little known fact. I'm sure that the traitors who push for sharia law here would welcome nazi law just the same. Oh for common sense and true patriotism again. Crap, sounds like we need another war…

  5. bullrider says:

    Not all shotguns are semi automatic. Most have to be racked between shots to prepare them for the next. There are semi automatic shotguns but they are probably the small minority.

    What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED says “except if we decide people don’t need them”? At what point must they stop? They are ignoring the 2nd amendment and this has to STOP.

    • Texas Vet says:

      Bullrider,.
      I am afraid you have some incorrect info from which you are basing your comments. Semi-automatic shotguns, or "auto loaders" are now the VAST MAJORITY of shotguns. These types of shot guns are used mostly for sport shooting (sporting clays and hunting). They outnumber "pump" shot guns probably three to one, nowdays.
      Just sayin'

      • robowang says:

        Uh uh, prove that.
        I call BS on you for that "opinion"
        it's not a fact.
        Pump loading Shotguns have been, and continue to be the biggest sellers.
        Don't believe it?

        Remington Arms Company, LLC
        870 Remington Drive
        P.O. Box 700
        Madison, NC 27025-0700 TEL: 1-800-243-9700

        O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.
        7 Grasso Ave.
        North Haven, CT 06473
        Telephone: (203) 230-5300

        And others, all you have to do is call and they will tell you.
        Just because YOU have an Auto shotgun, doesn't mean MOST do, too.

  6. Obama brown shirt jackbooted "civilian security force" doesn't want any resistance when BHO collapses the USA!

    • C. Class says:

      Good Point. Bob D, but I think they are purple shirted jackbooted SEIU,"civilian security forces."

  7. BobM001 says:

    If you haven't seen this already, you need to watch it.
    "Innocents Betrayed" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls&fe

  8. Phinneus says:

    Stop the yammering between commenters and get in touch with the BATF and make a strong but reasonable comment on this ban. I just did.The address is above. We need thousands of comments to them.

  9. ProundPatriotToo says:

    No surprise here, saw this coming when BO ran for the Senate. The whole country fell for his cr@p. Oklahoma is going to have open carry. Welcome back cowboys and the wild, wild, West. Back to Kenya, you Muslim bum, Obama.

  10. antiliberal3 says:

    Come and get 'em @$$wholes!

  11. BobM001 says:

    Oh sure! Make "comments to the BATFE". I for one will make "comments" to the appropriate members of the legislative body. NOT to Eric Holder's jack booted thugs. That will only serve to give these people the name. e-mail address of those people that they want to go to FIRST. Stay under the radar people. Arm yourselves with whatever you can. Including high capacity shotguns, rifles, and pistols if you permitted. They are RUNNING SCARED of We The People, as they should be.

  12. How many 5 round guns are out there? Think about it. That would essentially ban any and all guns except single shot guns (antiques). These people think we are fools. What did Obama say? “They cling to their guns and religion.” Both are under attack. This memorial day the big fake is out there honoring our military. What a two face!

  13. messcatzoe says:

    ATF is seeking public comments? Here's one "Hell, NO!"

    And I like the idea of banning ATF. What is the amount of THEIR budget?

    • robowang says:

      Please comment using the link in the article.
      If you don't, you have no right to whine about what happens.

      • messcatzoe says:

        I did reply using the link supplied, Troll. However, it would not go through. Two reasons for this: (1) so many Americans telling them to take their entire "department" and move to Mexico where they can try to "collect" all the guns Ovomit and Moulder Holder sold to them (2) so many Americans stating they need to bend over and kiss their own a$$e$ goodbye because they are a threat to the nation. And I have a right to whine about what happens because I WORK and my taxes pay the salaries of the idiots. Go back to Media Matters where you belong.

  14. How funny! They didn’t mind me using these guns when I was in the Sheriff’s Office before I retired. Now they don’t want me to own one. Now they want to know who owns one or more. Why? So they can enter your property at will.

  15. willowa says:

    I agree with BobM001. Color me (as we used to say) paranoid, but could this 'comment' to the ATF simply be a way of aquiring a list. Write/call your legislators! What is the purpose otherwise? Are these kinds of shotguns suddenly becoming involved in a wave of armed robberies, etc? (not even the prefered weapon of the cartels) Not that I have heard of, so, again, what is the purpose (not of the ATF idiots wanting our guns, we know what that is), of the 'public comment' via e-mail?

  16. Winghunter says:

    "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

  17. Sicklemaster says:

    These people (BATFags) obviously don't have enough to do. This, then, is an agency that needs to be trimmed down to size so they can concentrate on things that are really important, like smuggling guns to the drug lords in Mexico and tearing up the entire Southwest and Mexico.

  18. robowang says:

    Just sent my protest email.
    Tried to be level headed about it, but hard to do.
    PLEASE, anyone that is worried about this (and ANY American should be, as it is a freedom killer, NOT a gun issue) send in a response email to the address shown in the link above..

  19. Arthur S. Brown says:

    The Miller decision of the Supreme Court in the 1930"s, the basis of all federal gun control jurisdiction, was based on Miller's sawed off shotgun having "no military purpose".

    These guys are priceless. Or maybe worthless.

    Tell them they are all fired.

  20. NorCal Libertarian says:

    I believe that sending your comments regarding this topic will just give the ATF a list of names of where to go first to confiscate LEGALLY-OWNED shotguns. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS and let THEM deliver the message!!! ATF has not legal authority to change our 2nd Amendment.
    In Honor and Memory of all who have fallen in defense of our Constitution, God Bless America!

  21. Here's my comment to BATF***. Stuff it! If we have to, we'll get our assault weapons off YOUR dead bodies. We may not have assault shotguns, but a large caliber hunting rifle can ruin a nazi's day pretty quickly. Then, jackbooted stormtroopers, we'll have YOUR guns too. That's how guerrillas have armed themselves for centuries.

  22. Wallace Williams says:

    It’s time to collect our wittes. We don’t ban anything asa it is aimed at putting everyone on the couch permanently. Why can’t thne Govt use the laws it has. We don’t need any more. Lets ban all of the useless parts of the goverment! There are many department of thee government we don’t need! Let’ ban crime! Let’s ban speeders! Le3t’s ban DUI’s! Let’s ban communisim! Let’s ban all of the useless parts of the Government! Now, they are many other items to be baned!

    Go any more useless ideas?

  23. freedomringsforall says:

    I swear that we have the biggest bunch of idiots trying to run this country that I have ever heard of assembled on the national level of government in the history of our country.

  24. I wonder what the ATF thinks about the Second Amendment with the word militia in it? That's a "military" word. That's a rhetorical question as, judging from their inane statement, the ATF leadership is stocked with Obama quislings on the order of Eric Holder and his crew. There are no bans on "military" guns in this country! If this is the tactic of the administration to finally start attacking our gun rights it's lame. To me, it's proof that they shot their load when "Fast and Furious" blew up in their faces. They got nuthin else?! Note to the Obama Administration: In case you didn't figure it out yet, we aren't as stupid as the people who vote for you.

  25. Pavelina says:

    The militia are the armed citizenry, the last line of defense of a nation. When the nation is conquered and the army defeated, the militia with their guns will continue the fight, as did the Serbian Partisans, and the underground fighters in the other European countries during WW2. They must never take away from us the right to defend our own lives and homes which they would gladly do. The Brits did that in the 90s, now they are sitting ducks in their own homes. Same with the Australians.

  26. tsalagi_1 says:

    The only solution is to disband the BATF. As long as it exists the abuses will continue.

  27. “I ask sit, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials” – George Mason

    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” – Vladimir Lenin

  28. Max Penn says:

    Any gun taken out of our hands is a victory to the LEFT. Every country that has been successful in doing this is now a dictatorship or on it's way to become one.

  29. Daniel from TN says:

    The pupose of this proposed ban is obvious. Shotguns will be a very effective weapon IF civil war occurs. The government is making every attempt to limit what the people will be able to use IF war does occur.

  30. Damn, stop making the REAL gun rights activists look bad! This "story" is old news, like over a year old. There is no ban, and the republicans got a law passed in 2011 that will prevent such an idea from even coming up again.

  31. This is like the Nazi's asking Jews to send them emails regarding their "Final Solution".

  32. JPaul120 says:

    I liked the Sergeant York comment.

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